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"Time Is The Most Valuable Resource You Have" | The Impact of Love on Creativity with Entreprenuer and Actress Megan Caulfield
Ever wondered how creativity can be a powerful tool for healing and personal growth? Join us on a heartfelt exploration of how life's abrupt changes, like personal loss, can ignite a passion for creative expression and lead to profound transformation. Alongside our esteemed guest, Megan Caulfield—an inspiring producer, director, actor, and founder of The Heal Reel production company—we navigate the unique intersection of sound healing and artistic endeavors. Megan shares her journey through the film industry, underscoring the importance of art as a medium for healing and revealing her exciting new project in pre-production.
We delve into the complexities of grief and creativity, reflecting on personal stories that illustrate how loss can inspire some of the most expressive works of art. Drawing from our experiences, we discuss the lasting impact of loved ones, the role of family in creative pursuits, and the pivotal moments that helped redefine our paths. From the emotional toll of attending a loved one's funeral to rediscovering the joy of acting, these chapters explore the challenging yet transformative process of navigating grief and self-discovery.
Discover how balancing creative aspirations with financial stability can open the door to a fulfilling career. We touch on the journey from theater to film, the excitement of being on set, and the nuanced approaches to acting that bring characters to life. The conversation also highlights the importance of fostering creativity in future generations, offering insights into guiding children through emotional growth with meditation and yoga. Whether discussing the spiritual influence of quartz sands or the healing power of dance, this episode is brimming with inspiration to help you embrace your creative potential and find hope amidst life's challenges.
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The sooner you learn how valuable your time is, the better off you are. With the engineering degree that I had, I could have easily gone and gotten a salaried position somewhere and been like working, you know, 40 plus hours a week, but then that wouldn't have been my time, I would have been on somebody else's time. So I made tons of sacrifices to be able to maintain that versus not making as much as some of my peers.
Speaker 2:We only get one day and we only move forward. We will never be able to go back.
Speaker 1:Take a baby step towards whatever that bigger dream is every day.
Speaker 2:When we lose people, we will lose control.
Speaker 1:First husband was deported.
Speaker 2:He was from.
Speaker 1:Italy and he was deported out of this country. Someone's there one minute and then the next minute they're gone. It's a really abrupt change. When I was starting to get exposed to some pretty big Hollywood productions like being on the set of Charlie Sheen's show Anger Management, watching them film that first episode that I was like I need to get back into acting, like I hadn't done it in so long. I hit it really hard because that was one way that I was coping and dealing with losing my husband and I really dove headfirst into the craft and into acting.
Speaker 2:There are often moments where it reveals a lot more about us. Was there anything that you discovered about yourself more?
Speaker 1:In the depths of some of that pain and trauma is where some of my most creative moments have happened. We have big choices in those moments we can latch on to something but who's to say?
Speaker 2:that's like the right thing. To latch on to Audio's good, it's recording recording, no matter how hard we try.
Speaker 1:I can do that. I brought several friends with me. Today. Is this my fun camera? Do I get to look straight into the camera?
Speaker 2:Yes, you can look at it. I love cameras, I love microphones.
Speaker 1:They're my favorite. Anytime there's a camera or microphone around, I'm like gimme, gimme, gimme.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:It's a happy place to be in front of a camera or a microphone. So thank you for bringing me to my happy place, and I did bring some friends with me. I brought first some really pretty beautiful pieces of crystal.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:This is amethyst. Okay, okay, guys, we're taking amethyst, try that out for size.
Speaker 2:You rock for bringing this, get it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I thought we'd have some friends and this one's quartz clear quartz. Oh, I thought we'd have some friends and this one's quartz Clear quartz.
Speaker 2:Oh, we have the quartz.
Speaker 1:So, amethyst and quartz, yeah, and then, I brought this very fun friend. Oh, actually, no, no, no, does that show up?
Speaker 2:No, no, I can barely hear it. We're doing a gong now.
Speaker 1:It's a Tibetan bass brass, excuse me, sound bowl Does it sound good Is now the time that I try the sound. You've got to hear it. Okay, I said I wanted to try on the microphone. I didn't realize we would do it so quickly.
Speaker 2:With the headphones. It sounds so good.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, wow, yeah, and then you can also, oh. So you know, it's like the. With the champagne glass and you just put the water, submitting a frequency.
Speaker 2:Oh, this is giving me the um. You know, yeah, it's giving me that music. You know, if you, if you want to go to sleep, it's giving me that music. You want to go to sleep you?
Speaker 1:just that's like a I don't know if that's called white noise or red noise.
Speaker 2:There's different colors for noises, apparently, but you've got to give me a history that was fun. Before we get into this, her name is I am Megan Caulfield. Yeah, we're doing a different type of intro and I'm all for it, okay. We want to keep things fresh, but you've got to explain the history, for thank you so much for bringing them, but there's got to be a history as to why you have them. So take us through the journey.
Speaker 1:Oh, I got introduced to sound bath meditations in Los Angeles maybe like six-ish years ago.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:And all of these different instruments, either sound bowls I have a flute, I have different drums, I have another crystal sound bowl emit different frequencies, and different frequencies interact with different things differently.
Speaker 2:Whoa and can have different effects. Okay.
Speaker 1:So I got this bowl from actually a local musician um. I think on instagram he's zimba dio okay but, um, he's a musician that does sound baths and, yeah, I fell in love with it. I think it's an awesome way to meditate, because you just sit there and like receive, you know, and just take in these yeah oh my god, I'll probably do it randomly throughout the whole.
Speaker 1:Do it do production, and I've been a part of production before where I basically did that randomly throughout the whole thing, not really randomly, when the, when, the, you know, when it feels right, when it's time, when it's time to give it a little, a little ding.
Speaker 2:but yeah, it's, there's something about that sound that makes you want to just relax.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely, but the thing is.
Speaker 2:It's weird because with the hearing loss I can't tell if it's the real sound. I don't really know what everybody actually hears. I can hear what it sounds like, but hearing aids for mine it has like a robotic filter to it a little bit.
Speaker 1:Well, one way that people do use this and I've seen it be used in sound bath meditations is when you're laying down on your back to have it be placed on different parts of your body.
Speaker 2:What.
Speaker 1:And then get hit with a slightly different mallet that's like a little bit softer, so it kind of gives it like a deeper, and then you don't just hear it, but you can feel it, so that might be something all right guys.
Speaker 2:Um, this is no longer hidden record. This is a different version of hidden record and record that actually can't. That sounds good, especially that sounds similar to your company to heal. We will get some of that supply. Um, okay, all right guys, today we're doing the heal, we're gonna heal, with the vibrations frequency we need, I think, this energy right now um I don't know, it's whatever, don't know that.
Speaker 1:It's the time of year. There's like, literally, a hurricane hitting not far from us right now as we speak. Um and yeah, and so bringing some of that energy for all of us today we're not going to let that rain a parade.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying. No not at all. We're going to storm.
Speaker 1:I love my rain boots.
Speaker 2:Oh, I know she actually came in with a rain boots I'm ready to go and a rain coat. I actually couldn't tell if that was you, but then I was like, okay, that has to be her.
Speaker 1:I was ready, yeah.
Speaker 2:I was prepared.
Speaker 1:It's fun to play in the rain with the raincoats.
Speaker 2:All right, as you guys already know, this is already not a typical episode, because we just did we have Amethyst, we have Quartz and what was that called again, this is a bra a.
Speaker 1:Tibetan brass. Tibetan brass S. This is a bra a.
Speaker 2:Tibetan brass. Tibetan brass, sambal, wait, I didn't hear it. Chapter one Chapter one.
Speaker 1:You know that's smooth. Actually we're doing our own, like science.
Speaker 2:Yes, All right, that's Hidden Record Healing. Now we're going to go into the actual production. Welcome back, guys, to a Hidden Record episode. We have another wonderful guest. Every guest is wonderful, amazing, stellar, but I'll let her say her name I am megan caulfield and what do you do?
Speaker 1:I am gosh. That's always a tough question for me to answer, because I don't know the first thing that I want to say I feel like I do lots of different things and like identifying exactly the right thing is crazy. But, um, the company we were talking about, that I own, the production company the heel reel is, is really where my heart song is at this stage in life. So, um, that that means that I am a producer and a director, and sometimes an actor and sometimes a host and basically try to create art and promote healing through art and through cinematography.
Speaker 2:Guys, she has a long list of accolades Very accomplished. She's done a lot. It's going to be a wonderful episode, guys, and you can also pick it up if you need to. Sometimes I do that.
Speaker 1:Oh wait, so I can pull it out of here.
Speaker 2:You can, if you want to.
Speaker 1:I love having a microphone.
Speaker 2:Oh, you want to do that Okay.
Speaker 1:We're going to do a different approach now guys, I'm going to do this for a little bit.
Speaker 2:Not too far leaning behind.
Speaker 1:I, I'm going to do this for a little bit, not too far leaning behind, I feel real lean-y right here, way too far.
Speaker 2:We're having fun. It's going to be a fun time, but you were going on, so you have the Heal company.
Speaker 1:The Heal Reel. Yeah the production company. So, yeah, that's my heart song at the moment and that is yeah, I'm really honored to be able to do that work and we're currently in pre-production on a short film and, yeah, and a really long time, um, but now it's like the rubber sitting the road with like actually taking off professionally and, um, so excited about that journey that's starting now.
Speaker 2:For sure, I said there's so many questions, I want to ask about that. But first, before we even do that, cause we just oh, we're going back into the stand.
Speaker 2:Okay, all about that but first, before we even do that, because we just, oh, we're going back into the stand, okay, all right, um we're going take, we're gonna take back, take us back to, uh, a few weeks ago, um, so a few weeks ago, we're going to do a flash. I always do this, guys, whatever you guys, a few weeks ago, um, you didn't mention that you were away for a funeral and I wanted to take this time to acknowledge it by saying thank you so much for making the time.
Speaker 2:And usually, grief is definitely one of those things that takes. It will never go away and I want to say thank you so much for taking the time to be here and I wanted to just leave that for that opening, to get you in that space.
Speaker 1:So go ahead and make it. Thank you, I appreciate it. Yeah, I was at the funeral for my uncle and he definitely passed away far too young, and it's interesting going back to home and seeing family you haven't seen in a long time and thinking back to when you were a child you haven't seen in a long time and like thinking back to when you were, you know, a child and what things were like then. It was definitely like very reflective and I feel like I'm in a very reflective place right now. So you're catching me.
Speaker 1:You're catching me with lots of reflection happening and yeah, um trip. Yeah, was like that going back home and seeing family I haven't seen in a while, and um having all those memories flood back from you know being young and growing up and um, yeah, life is short. Definitely need to honor every moment of it.
Speaker 2:There's actually. So when you told me that this morning, um, I actually have four songs that I wanted to share with you, um, because I it helped me to process the um, the passing of my grandmother I think it was last year um, it wasn't, it's not easy. Grief is like it's still, it still feels like it's there. You know, it's like, um, there are moments where I would ask my mom hey, uh, how's? Then? I would catch myself asking as if they were still here. So, yeah, I want to, I can't, I can't wait to show those, those songs after this podcast and I really, really, really really, really think it's gonna help you.
Speaker 2:Um, because it's like, ah, that part of the awesome thing that we do as a creative is that we get to express our not only the happy moments, but the moments that define us emotionally through the work that we do, and so with like, how has it been, uh, making you reflect on what's the one thing that makes that's making you reflect on the most after the passing um well, I think there's been a few things that have happened in life lately that have been like reflective, to be honest, um, if I'm being totally honest about it, and um, so let me think about this.
Speaker 1:Of course, is that my phone doing that?
Speaker 2:No, oh, that's mine. Okay, somebody's text, Leave me alone.
Speaker 1:I'll talk to you guys later. It's a text. That's how you respond to. Your texts is yell at your phone.
Speaker 2:Yes, leave me alone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so the concept. So one thing I was just thinking about when you were talking is and what I'm reflecting on is this like concept of like having someone there in your life and then them not being in your life anymore, and really that abruptness of change, whether that comes from someone passing away or a relationship changing or a job changing, any kind of abrupt change can a lot of times, I think, even be considered trauma. When there's an abrupt change, especially if it's like a huge, if it's a big negative, abrupt, change.
Speaker 1:And that, you know, can be really difficult and painful. I also think, though, in the depths of some of that pain and trauma is where, at least for me as a creative like, where some of my, like most creative moments have happened.
Speaker 1:Like I wrote um, I wrote a poem recently that came from like a very deep moment of pain, that like came to me when I was in that moment and um, one day I think I'll be ready to like share it publicly. But that like thinking about it now, I think that a lot of things actually in my life, that some of my most creative moments have come from difficulties or overcoming difficulties or going through some kind of like trauma. And that's actually how the heel reel was was pretty much born so you know there's a friend of mine, quinn Irwin.
Speaker 2:He said the depth of my grief is the depth of my joy and the deepest we feel, from the most painful he was on your podcast recently right, yes.
Speaker 1:You've had some really excellent guests. I just listened. I was just on a road trip and I just listened to all of your podcasts and listened to your guests. I didn't make through every single, like all of them, the full amount of time, but listen to a good chunk of each.
Speaker 2:And so, yes, he was the father yeah, yeah, and that was also still very recent to my the past of my grandma. I was just like when he said that it was such a reaffirming um statement, because sometimes, in the moment where, when we lost someone or lose someone, it's we just know that whatever we feel from that will help us express more as creative. Because, quinn, I love that statement you make man yeah, that is a great one it's true yeah, I believe that yeah, and just to give context from some.
Speaker 2:So my grandmother, when my parents were going away for their doctor's job, for being a doctor, they would always leave me with my grandma and my grandma was the one who taught me how to speak. She was the one who taught me how to deal with hearing aids and when she passed it's I I said in the podcast it's just like in the episode with quinn, it's just like I did not really like how I left it and I said I left the conversations and in a way where it will be the one that would haunt me, because I wish I could say something different yeah, and but yeah, but here we are and I'm trying to learn how to live with that by.
Speaker 2:There's this moment where there are things where, when you reflect back on it, there are some moments where you wish you could make up for it. Yeah, when they're there, it's just like yeah, that's a tough one.
Speaker 1:That's a tough lesson to learn, and I don't know that you learned that once. I think that's one of those ones.
Speaker 2:I don't want to learn about it.
Speaker 1:It just kind of makes you wish that you'd taken a breath and taken a pause before taking action. And that takes some grace and maturity and that's hard to do when you're feeling really emotional or when life is happening. So, yeah, I know that feeling, I'm sorry, but but yes, you have to like go back and ask yourself like, um, then then I, you know, like that's at least one good path forward is is trying to figure out what the lesson was from, from what you had gone through.
Speaker 1:Um, and sometimes the lesson is just to be able to tell your story or just to. There's a. There's a ton of different things, but that's a painful one.
Speaker 2:I wanted to know how much he meant to you when it comes to when you were growing up and finding your way.
Speaker 1:Oh well, this uncle was my uncle, George was my, was my godfather. He was really like a big part of my younger life. I would say he was, he was really involved. And then when he had children you know those, my cousins we did a lot of things together growing up when we were little and so those are really wonderful memories of all of us getting together and doing things as a family. We kind of all, unfortunately, like spread out and lived in different areas as we got older.
Speaker 1:But yeah, and reflecting back on just family in general and kind of like where you come from, and then thinking about seeing you today and like create, create. You know creativity and like where did some of this come from?
Speaker 1:I think, um, there was always a little bit of like the DNA of an entertainer and a and a performer in my family and um and I can kind of feel that and I think that's why it's always been something that's like appealed to me and why I'm so interested in the industry and have been involved with it for so long.
Speaker 2:One of the hardest pains with grief is that when someone has given so much to you to make sure that you're better off. They've worked so much to give up, to make so many sacrifices. But one of the hardest part about that on the other side of grief, when you're the one that got left behind in that sense is that when they have given so much and you weren't able to get the time and opportunity to show them that it was all worth it especially when they were taken away too late- yeah and for in that, in that aspect, if you can reflect now what was one of the goals that you, you would have loved to accomplish and show your uncle died oh gosh, um, hmm.
Speaker 1:Well, I already think that he was. He was really avid in traveling and really interested in like travel and um and different cultures and places, and I was able to travel. So I I feel like he you know was was proud of that and like proud of me, for for some of that and um, I think he ultimately really just wanted everyone to be happy and um and loving, like he really valued his family and his wife we called the love of his life, so, um, so I think that's what he ultimately wanted to and did pass along, you know, to everyone was that really strong family?
Speaker 1:you know family value, so yeah, but I I'm also taking away from all of that, like the importance of taking care of yourself and your health.
Speaker 1:Cause that's really important too, you know, and taking care of our bodies. We kind of get one chance with that. But I'm really sorry about um, about what happened with your grandmother and that you feel like you didn't, you know, get a chance to really talk to her the way and like have that closure the way that you wanted to. Like it sounds like she was such a massive part of your life probably more so than what you know my uncle was, which was more like when I was kind of younger Sounds like your grandmother was a part of your life for like most of your life your whole life.
Speaker 2:With her. She I love. Her name is Inay. Love you, inay. I know you're not here, but I'm sending that out there.
Speaker 2:She the conversation that I had with her was about God and out of everybody. I just wanted to challenge that belief for so long not because I didn't—well I lost my way, but I'm not—and also I wanted to really understand where she was coming from. That conversation. It was like that was the last time I said it and I left it on that note and like what I wish I could say to her right now is you know, now you and I may have our may have had our differences, but what I want one day I hope to happen is that I could go, I can go back to you and say that you were right. I want you to be the one to prove me wrong, but I can't. And the hard part is not knowing that I will not get that opportunity to say that, and she's given so much of my hearing loss that I want to. I actually wanted to bring her to the red carpet one day.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow, yeah.
Speaker 2:And somehow some way I wanted that to happen, but I can't. So it's like, ah, not today. It's raining today.
Speaker 1:It's a lot, yeah, and it's okay to feel all those things that you're feeling about it, but I feel like maybe not in this particular form or way Do you get to say that to her. But I do think in a way you'll get to have that conversation and that communication, you know if you're not already having it in one way shape or form.
Speaker 2:So how did you? What was the one thing that you learned more about yourself? Because some, oftentimes, there are moments where when someone that we hold close to our lives when they pass away, and often there are often moments where it reveals a lot more about us, especially how we navigate through, yeah, grief. So what was? Were there anything that that you discovered about yourself more?
Speaker 1:um, I honestly think the most discovery I've had about myself through that kind of grief has been through the loss of someone that I really loved, not like through death, but like ending, you know, a difficult relationship ending or heartbreak and then that's actually been like the impetus for certain times in my life when, like, big realizations happened and big growth happened and also like big creativity happened. So those are actually when I was kind of thinking about you know, like thinking about our. I wrote it down.
Speaker 1:I was thinking about like our notes today and like just talking about stuff and where I'm at the impact of love on creativity. That might be our. That could be this episode title.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, where was it?
Speaker 1:We'll see.
Speaker 2:Where was it? Oh yes, Chapter two.
Speaker 1:Chapter two the impact of love on creativity.
Speaker 2:Where is that? What number is that?
Speaker 1:It's not, I wrote it. I wrote it down.
Speaker 2:It's oh, oh. I thought it's not on there I just wrote it as a note.
Speaker 1:Repeat that title again the impact of love on creativity. Um so, yeah, I mean love, whether it's, like you know, with family, like your grandmother, my uncle, love like romantic love, friendship, love.
Speaker 1:I am like just pondering everything going on in my life lately, that's, you know, I'm realizing that those big, those, some of those big moments in life should be really emotional and sometimes even traumatic, like have been the impetus for some for creativity, even traumatic, like have been the impetus for some for creativity Um and um, and help you, kind of like, re-identify your values, re-identify yourself you know, um, like you were mentioning before, like what did you come away with?
Speaker 1:I think that no matter what you come away like, it changes you as a person. Every you know interaction you have with someone else. So, um, so yeah, you're forever changed by that yeah, but the it's.
Speaker 2:Not only does that happen, but the reality that you were used to is no, it does not, no longer exist. From your perspective, and that's really difficult for most people to understand, it's like from their outside perspective it's like oh no, it's gonna be okay. Oh no, it's going to be OK, it's it's, it's everything going to be fine. But when we are told that in the moment, it almost feels offensive.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2:It's like saying good, yeah, but with a condescending tone. But they need to understand that nothing will ever make sense during that moment. Yeah, nothing will ever make sense during that moment, yeah, and, and what we do, whatever we need to do to get through that moment will never make sense to anybody, but it does from our perspective, because it's the one thing that kind of like, retains some sense of control yeah and especially when we lose people, we will lose control.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And we will latch on to something that we can at least have some sense of control, just to make sure that everything's stable, somewhat stable, we have big choices in those moments.
Speaker 1:Like we can latch on to something, but who's to say that's like the right thing to latch on to?
Speaker 2:And do we latch on to something that's like the right thing to latch onto.
Speaker 1:And do we latch onto something that's like good and nourishing and wholesome for us? Do we latch onto something that's like toxic and not so good for us? But maybe it's like a short term? You know, like what do we do? Like what is our choice in those moments? Um, because we, we have a choice. You know, in how we're going to respond.
Speaker 1:Um, it always seems easier, you know, like when you're not in like the throes of some kind of like emotional moment or like sadness you're like oh, I could go meditate or go do this or go do that or go hit my gong or um, but when you're in those moments you're like no, I want to scream and throw things. So it's easier said than done. It's a practice, for sure, and I think we get lots of opportunities in life to practice lots and lots and lots of opportunities.
Speaker 2:The other thing that I do want to say is, you know, being someone, being someone that has accomplished a lot, oftentimes it, like you said, it also has put you in the mode where you have to, you have to get some sense of clarity of everything you've done before. So, with the idea of death and having that experience, how has that made you look back on the work that you've done? Has it made you feel you know I could do more. Or are you happy, or are you still dissatisfied with where you're at?
Speaker 1:I am satisfied with where I'm at in terms of being able to do a lot of the things that I really love to do on a regular basis. I feel fortunate to do that. I kind of just want to keep like upgrading and replacing and upgrading, and replacing and evolving and that is like a beautiful journey to be on.
Speaker 1:So I feel really satisfied and fortunate from that perspective that I'm I'm in a place like that it does. That took like a while to get to that place, so I feel fortunate. Now I'm in a place where I can focus more on things that are more in alignment with like what I feel like is my true purpose and calling, and I hope my hope and wish for everyone is that they try to find their way towards that kind of path.
Speaker 2:Like.
Speaker 1:I don't know that anyone should expect to go from like zero to hero right away. Um, but little by little, I think you can take steps and um one day you will find yourself you know, um, in a place where you're, where you're in alignment with the things you want to do.
Speaker 1:But, um, yeah, so, so I feel really fortunate to be in that place now, and that did not go without sacrifice. But, um, but yeah, it's, it's good to be able to do that and now just continue to like, hone my craft and and work on bigger and better projects, projects, no, no projects.
Speaker 2:Meaningful parts of legacies that you will eventually leave yeah, it is actually.
Speaker 1:It does at one point like switch over to becoming about legacy and that like becomes. You know you that, like, you start to think about that and you're like what do you want your legacy and what do you want? To be like remembered for and um, yeah and so oh I love this episode already, oh God dude, I'm fighting.
Speaker 2:My eyes are fighting. Oh my God. Sometimes I hate being emotional. Sometimes I want to just turn it off and be a psychopath.
Speaker 1:I can't take some amethyst, quick.
Speaker 2:Okay, hold it, oh my gosh, can you name one of the brightest moments that you will ever bring with you, no matter where you go at this point, that you always try to implement in your future work?
Speaker 1:Oh, my goodness, he had such a good sense of humor, but I think probably what's's gonna stick with me is kind of funny as um he was like brilliant, he was absolutely a genius, just one of the most intelligent, just an intellectual like the definition of an intellectual, and we went to a botanical gardens once and he and my cousins were doing like an amazing job of like naming all these different plants, like they just knew it. They didn't have to read the sign.
Speaker 2:They like knew what all these versions of names, or some of them, the Latin versions, but you know, most of them just the regular version, but he loved going to gardens like that.
Speaker 1:So I presume he like took my cousins frequently, Um, but I hadn't gone very often and I was like just kind of like wandering around and I feel like, and so then he asked me, he pointed one out and asked me if I knew what it was, and I like didn't, I was like I'm never going to guess any of these, but he had really given me like he had really given me, like a softball, like because he pointed, like to the banana tree, like of all the things, like that one's such an obvious one, like of all of the things, and I was.
Speaker 2:It's a banana. Those are bananas.
Speaker 1:You know what a banana is right? I was like, oh okay. So I don't know why. That's a really funny story to me that I didn't you know. It just sticks out as like a cute because he was sweet to me about it. He wasn't like trying to make me feel bad, but he was just so knowledgeable about things that it was like that I'm'm always going to be inspired inspired by that, and it's oftentimes the funny stories when it's so mundane, in that moment only they become so almost like a legendary status of like yeah you can't and you'll like never forget, yeah, yeah and I think oftentimes people see.
Speaker 2:That's why, when I was looking through the things you've done, it's like one of the biggest things that I've always wanted to know is how you manage to balance between family, work and yourself, while also being present in the moment with what you're given in each and every single day. Because, dude, we only get one day and we only move forward. We will never be able to go back. And so, oh my gosh and it's like I'm really glad, that story I'm sure wherever you go to grocery publics banana well, I have banana trees in my backyard now oh, yeah, they haven't actually fruit yet.
Speaker 1:They haven't had any fruit come yet, but when? They do uh, it's, yeah, I'm. Maybe I'll start. Actually, I'll just name those trees george one of them. I'm like george the banana tree, yeah george and then george the monkey curious george. Yes, curious george, that's the name of my.
Speaker 2:Okay, perfect, but um now we would be segueing into how this have contributed to your healing process. So, with all of this because I've noticed that each and every single thing that you've done, um, when it comes to healing, is always do some form of sound bath, meditating how are you implementing that into your life at this moment, and also in work, too?
Speaker 1:uh, well, I think like the development of a mindfulness practice has definitely been an evolution over time um I was always really avid um with yoga. I started that okay years ago.
Speaker 1:So I even without I kind of, when I started I think it was more for like athletic reasons and working out, but naturally just getting into it, you, you know taking it you kind of reap the benefits of the spiritual practice of yoga and meditation and and there's lots of different kinds of yoga, so like experiencing different types of yoga too that have different benefits, so that was something that was a part of my life pretty early on, um, and then it was moving down here. I mean I call this area I mean it's known as the emerald coast- I like to call it I like to call it the spiritual coast okay because I think that this is a very special place.
Speaker 1:I mean um, first of all, we're all sitting on top of a bunch of quartz sand. I mean the sand here is one of the most homogenous sands in the world.
Speaker 1:It's over 98 percent quartz crystal and that's why our sands all you know so white and always cool to the touch and why our water is so clear. Um, and quartz is a really healing crystal, so we're hanging out with like healing crystals all day long. I mean, the bottom of my car right now is filled with healing crystals um. We're also on the 30th parallel um as far as like longitude of the earth and um, and that there's a lot of really interesting places on the 30th parallel to include um, the pyramids of Giza.
Speaker 1:So we're like right in alignment with them and um, and a bunch of really interesting places, so um, and then obviously there was like a ton of different native american, you know, influence and habitats here, and so I think we're in like a really unique spiritual area, the spiritual coast, and I so, and I came to know a lot more about healing and different practices and healing modalities, like sound bath okay um, meditations and even things like Reiki and other modalities, since I've been in this area and it's been awesome, it's been great and implementing them into your life, I think is really important For me having a good morning practice and routine that I wake up to.
Speaker 1:That's pretty key when I do maintain that regularly morning practice and routine that I wake up to is like that's pretty key, that's um, when I can maintain, when I do maintain that regularly there's. I definitely noticed a difference in you know how I go through my day and just generally how kind of well-regulated I am.
Speaker 2:How does that work with moments like grief, stress, even if that, and even at the hardest moments, like the most raw moments, what is the one thing that you do to at least get some sense of stability, cause it's freaking hard?
Speaker 1:It is, it really is, um, but you have to listen to yourself First of all. I think you have to like feel your feelings, you know, so earlier on in life, some of the traumas I went through younger I feel like you know, know I numbed and distracted and ran away.
Speaker 1:Now I know that, like if something does come up and it needs to be felt, that you should feel it, you know and not really try to run from it like it will flow through you and eventually release, and if you feel like it's not, then you should try to get help and hopefully there's people, friends and loved ones you can call maybe you should try to get help and hopefully there's people, friends and loved ones you can call. Maybe you can try to do a meditation you know, like I think sometimes guided meditations where there's, like you know, someone speaking so that it's not.
Speaker 1:You're not just in your head a lot to have either podcasts on in the background that are really uplifting or guided meditations on in the background that are uplifting, just to like keep positive content coming in to your brain okay and definitely avoid any negative content well, I believe, I believe there's this thing where, whatever you feed your brain, yeah is what's going to inform how you interpret the entire world A thousand percent.
Speaker 2:For example, I hate bananas. I will say, though, it is still healthy to a certain extent when it comes to acknowledging negative emotions, because those are still they still do have value in how we treat ourselves, because if we don't have negative emotions, then we wouldn't really understand the true value of the good emotions yeah, absolutely if you're pissed off about something and we're not going to acknowledge that, but you're going to stay happy, happy it's.
Speaker 2:It's not going to be a yin yang okay. There's no balance yeah so I think that's a good thing. But I did notice now that you mentioned that no wonder why you named your company Quartz Life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's actually a cool connection. Because of the sand here, because of the quartz crystal that we are living on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Okay, I'm going to be a negative here. I don't like the beach because of my hearing aids. I wish I could hang out with my friends on the beach, but I just can't. Is it because?
Speaker 1:it, the sound, if I, if I take on my hearing, it everything is silent.
Speaker 2:Okay, I told the story multiple times. I go out to the beach, go out in the water. I see my friends far. They're like either cheering me on or they're yelling because there's a shark. But I will not know the difference because they're gonna look like they're cheering me on and there's a shark right there.
Speaker 1:You know I can't do that but I guess well you don't have to go to the beach to reap the benefits. I mean, technically, this whole area should be sand dunes, like it's all sand, where all of this is built on sand, well, for the most part.
Speaker 2:So you're still, it's still, you're still experiencing it, it's still there okay, yeah all right, see, the question I have is this what would you say to those that are very skeptical of this? Because I am actually. My brother bought me a book just for a joke. Hey, read this book. It's a book that's literally titled Book for Skepticals About Meditation. So how would you, how has it actually, how would you say this, describe this to someone who's skeptical of it, and how would you help them take the first step to actually trying?
Speaker 1:to say, and I probably wouldn't talk to someone that wasn't like openly trying to like learn, you know I don't think like the. The job is to like convince someone or tell them what they should or shouldn't believe. Like it's a rock Like I get it. At the end of the day it's a rock, and so I think they're really cool rocks.
Speaker 2:Like.
Speaker 1:I like them and you know, and I believe that they likely do have certain properties that you know, everything around us has a frequency. All of these microphones, these are all emitting a frequency and I think we can all agree upon that. And so if certain things you think are emitting a frequency that makes you feel good, then you should be around those things. But if you don't particularly think those things do one thing or another, then don't be around those things. But yeah that's whatever.
Speaker 1:I think those answers are within you and so I would never really try to tell anyone else what they should or shouldn't kind of consider. But I would hope that within them they know you know something that helps them like ground and feel centered and like get closer to that little inner voice and intuition that you know or? Their heart, you know, or their heart, you know, their heart, whatever it is, yeah inner child, the inner child that's within us, higher self, like whatever that is so.
Speaker 2:Whatever helps you with that, then that's awesome I actually wanted to know um how have you been able to educate your uh family, especially, do you have kids?
Speaker 1:I do not you do not.
Speaker 2:When you do have, are you planning on having some? Well, if you, let's say, imagine a scenario. If you do have some, how would you want to educate them on the importance of healing, as well as learning how to come to terms with loss?
Speaker 1:that's a great question. I think, first and foremost, I would do some research. If I was a parent, or thought I was going to become a parent, I would dive into the research myself and want to learn. I love reading. I have lots of books. I have a mini library at home, so books about frequencies or whether it's crystals or herbs or essential oil or food. So I would want to learn all about parenting and the best way to do that.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:I super admire my sister, who's a wonderful mom, my dad and my parents and my brother and his wife. They're doing an awesome job. I would want to get like way more educated about it, I would want to get like way more educated about it. But what I'm trying to teach my nieces and nephews are just kind of like the basics of like breathing and kind of like some meditation basics and breathing, but also like recognizing those emotions that you're having, even like yoga. I've gotten my nephews like little kid yoga mats and stuff.
Speaker 1:So, I think just like, and then just like doing things yourself, like I've traveled with this and brought my sound bowl with me places, so just like their exposure to what I'm doing. And there's like probably the biggest way that kids learn right, it's just being exposed to what you do. They see me, you know, doing my yoga and meditations and whatever I might be doing, and that's that's exposure to them. They're you know well, how about?
Speaker 2:what about the part where you mentioned about the, the positive emotions, negative emotions? How are you helping them navigate through uh emotions? Because usually children at the younger age, that from younger age to teenagers, those are the most uh, it's like the highest chance of development, uh for them to really form their identity yeah so what were some of the things that you're so proud of and helping them lead their way to become the person they are?
Speaker 1:My nephew. They're all really young still, Like they're all under the age of 10. So um and I'm like fun auntie, like may may you know, so I, most of the time when I'm hanging out with them, it's like fun times, family times, family trips. I'm not necessarily like the day to day, like their parents dealing with that but.
Speaker 1:I'm sure I will continue to be. I know my aunts and uncles were really, you know, some of them, especially as I was older, um, were a big part of my life, so, um, so yeah, how I relate to them and like pass on my knowledge, I'll, you know, probably just have to, when the time comes, share with them like what I've learned, like if they're going through a heartbreak, like how did I ever deal with that in a positive way.
Speaker 1:Or if they're ever going through any kind of grief or didn't make the soccer team, or yeah, I hope I do a good job of helping them through those times.
Speaker 2:Don't say you hope you will do a good job.
Speaker 1:I will try my best, for sure no no, no, you will not try.
Speaker 2:You are guaranteed to do your best.
Speaker 1:You're going to be a great aunt. Okay, thank you. Okay, we have fun already. They love me.
Speaker 2:We have a great time but sometimes I do have like a. I love the moments where, like, uh, the fun members of our families, they're like and they're, they're like, oh yeah, it's fun whatever it is, but the mom's like, don't do nothing stupid with them, they have school I know, yeah, I am I that definitely that dynamic comes up. I'm like, yeah, well, the other part I'd love to actually. Let's hit the gong now. Wait louder. I don't know what chapter we're on, but chapter, whatever number, it is Chapter.
Speaker 1:X.
Speaker 2:What.
Speaker 1:Chapter X.
Speaker 2:Chapter X, we're going into creativity. So, with the idea of legacy and the idea of passing out the knowledge, with the work that you've done, walk us through, yeah, literally, I cannot pick one according to the research. With the work that you've done, walk us through that, yeah, literally, just I can't even pick, I could not pick one according to the research. So I'm just gonna just let you take the reins from here and literally just start how you found your way into um, the creative industry, um, from producer to acting. To guys, she was on netflix wait, I think it was netflix or v or I don't know veep yeah, veep was hbo, what the?
Speaker 2:fuck yeah, that was a really big production.
Speaker 1:That was awesome huh that was a big production. That was really cool.
Speaker 2:No, dude, I saw that movie. That's tv poster everywhere.
Speaker 1:Okay, at one point so it's a good show.
Speaker 2:It is a good show, so um here you go, I'm gonna take the lead now.
Speaker 1:Oh okay, yes, so um, well, I mean actually. So, like I I mentioned earlier, I think like there's some, there's some dna of, like a performer and entertainers. My, um, my grandmother was a rockette on broadway, so she was a dancer and then owned a dance studio and made sure all of her grandchildren we all did like ballet, tap and jazz growing up.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:I was always really interested in theater. I think my first role was at church. I was Mary the Virgin.
Speaker 2:Mother of God in the Christmas play. Okay.
Speaker 1:In the Christmas nativity play, um in the christmas nativity play and, and so I always like kind of kept um a little bit of involvement in like theater and acting.
Speaker 1:you go all the way through high school and college like, but kind of more as an elective okay um, because I got an engineering degree and, um, you know, would just kind of do like the theater on the side for fun. And then you know, went away to after college, like went away for an internship overseas and you know, was really starting in the professional world and starting to like work and make money and kind of stepped away from that creative stuff a little bit like it wasn't as much a part of my life yes um, until, um, probably around 2010, ish, 2011.
Speaker 1:um, and actually, yeah, in the beginning of 2011,. Um, my first husband, and I've only been married once, but I call him my first husband because it sounds cool Like how many husbands have you had? I'm on my fifth husband now, okay.
Speaker 2:Now.
Speaker 1:I've had one.
Speaker 2:I'm going to go text my girlfriend. Yeah, you are my first girlfriend. This is my first girlfriend. I love you. By the way, we're just playing on here. You already met Amanda, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:All right, whenever she's with me At.
Speaker 1:PSA meeting.
Speaker 2:Yes, I'm going to do it again. Pretend you guys never met Megan. This is my first girlfriend.
Speaker 1:Is she really your first girlfriend? Yes, oh, cool Okay.
Speaker 2:I still don't know how I made it this far Awesome.
Speaker 1:Here we are, but come on. Well, so my first husband was deported.
Speaker 2:He was from.
Speaker 1:Italy and he was deported out of this country. And it's quite a story and it was quite a traumatic event.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:And ultimately led to a massive change and transformation in my life. Talk about what we talked about earlier with like a really abrupt you know someone's there one minute and then the next minute they're gone. And just a really abrupt change one minute and then the next minute they're gone.
Speaker 1:um, and just a really abrupt change and um, and then like simultaneously, um, certain things in the professional work I was doing were, um, that was like right around the time, a similar time to when I was starting to get exposed to some pretty big hollywood productions like um being on the set of Charlie Sheen's show Anger Management, I watched them film in Burbank, california, film that first episode, okay, and actually it was like watching them film that first episode that I was like I need to get back into acting like I hadn't done it in so long and I literally got back from California back to DC from that trip and signed up for acting classes immediately, done it in so long and I literally got back from California, back to DC from that trip and signed up for acting classes immediately.
Speaker 1:Um, so, um. So that really traumatic event, kind of coupled with all of a sudden getting re exposed to the acting and world, um kind of catapulted me into getting back, getting into it again and so I started taking acting classes in DC, and DC is a really interesting, pretty awesome market if you're a filmmaker or talent or crew, because it's like just big enough that there's a good amount of work there but just small enough that you can like it's an easy, easy to enter you know, Um, and I was really fortunate and I think also like pretty good at what I did I must've been, cause I had pretty good results um to start to get cast and things in the DC area, and I just hit it.
Speaker 1:I hit it really hard Cause that was one way that I was coping and dealing with. Really, that was a really sudden, you know, loss and a lot of grief and basically kind of losing my husband in that way so.
Speaker 1:I really like dove headfirst into into the craft and into acting and as a way, really, all of a sudden I was. I was like single but not single, but all of a sudden had this kind of time on my hands being by myself, so dove into took any acting gig I could get didn't care if it was paid, not paid and spent a lot of time doing that for a few years there.
Speaker 2:It goes back to what we were talking about earlier. I feel like it sounds to me that you were looking for some kind of aspect of your life where you can actually retain some control and when that happened, at least knowing that you could have that control and becoming an actor, actress that must have been something that was at least helpful at that time, I would imagine yeah, it was helpful for it was helpful for a ton of reasons.
Speaker 1:It was helpful because it kept me active and busy. It helped me consider my emotions and kind of emotional range. Yeah, there was a ton of reasons why it was super beneficial. And it was just like my happy place. I fell more and more in love with being on set especially film. Like most of my background had been theater and this was when I first started really getting into film and I just like fell in love with it and even started falling in love with like the behind, you know, behind the camera stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so many questions. We got so much to unpack here. Hi guys, kino here just wanted to take a second to say thank you so much to each and every single one of you that has been with me on this journey for hidden record and just sharing all these stories of all of the creatives that have appeared on the show. If you enjoy deep conversations like this, make sure to hit like and subscribe on youtube, and if you're listening on a podcast platform like spotify, make sure you follow that so you won't be out of the loop for every month, because I try to drop at least two episodes.
Speaker 1:So grab your popcorn and soda and let's get back to our conversation well, it was because of you know that, like that kind of that, that traumatic event and then also some of my exposure to some big productions, that, yeah, that had me kind of dive headfirst into it.
Speaker 1:And yeah, and I was mentioning how, like, dc was a really good market for that because it was like big enough and there were some pretty big productions that would come through that market but also small enough that it was kind of easy to get in and um and get good opportunities, you know, to act and be in front of the camera and you know what the with your grandmother, the performer, and then that whole geez.
Speaker 2:I did not expect that, but it was like when you found your way into the creativity. What was the one thing that kept you going when, when? Something that made sense at that moment where everything got confusing with the loss of your first husband, what was the one thing that you always look for in your creative projects that always made sense for you, to make sure that everything was fine. It's like a comfort thing. So when I'm editing, I'm looking for the sense of joy, knowing that I'm putting something together. That's what makes me feel happy, despite all the terrible things happening. So what was that like for you?
Speaker 1:I think it was the opportunity to. I mean, I honestly was trying to like keep myself busy Like I was trying to like get that extra energy that I had like out it needed an outlet. So part of just like going through the process of I would submit and apply to everything. I would go to auditions, just to audition, for things um, and take on tons of projects regardless of you know what they were compensating or not. And just like it was more and more my happy place, so um just being on set.
Speaker 1:So I just, I just was super motivated to like continue to you know, to explore and grow and it was like a great market to do that and got lots of really good exposure and got to do things for, you know, the federal government, but then also for like HBO and Netflix and um.
Speaker 2:Discovery Channel and.
Speaker 1:History Channel, like all of those places, had not headquarters but had, like, offices in the DC area. So they they did a lot of casting and a lot of yeah.
Speaker 2:I was really fortunate to like have that many different job opportunities available you know that that's such an incredible thing to say uh, in your position, you do. It's such an incredible thing to be able to say that, because when people think about pursuing a creative career, oftentimes, especially at a younger age they are often dealing with one decision which is do I do the nine to five or do I literally go all in to see where this goes, and, on top of that, whether their parents will approve of that decision. And so what was that moment for you when you were at that crossroads?
Speaker 1:Well, I never was, because I've always had income from different income sources. Okay, so, I didn't and I think that actually, like helped a lot with some of my success on the creative side is that. I had income from other. You know another business of mine that was helping support me.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:So I can't say honestly that I went all in and had like my rent or mortgage payment based on me getting an acting role. I was never in that position. And I think that would have been really. That's a rough position to be in Like.
Speaker 1:I give tons of credit to people in that position, because I can't really imagine what it would be like going into audition. You're already really nervous. But then if you're like I need to get this audit, I need to get this role so I can pay my mortgage, I fortunately came into it a little bit later on, when I already had another business and career kind of more established that was supporting me and that was really flexible, so that gave me the time I was.
Speaker 1:Fortunately had control over my own time, so that I could get involved in the creativity. So I think that you can do it if you're a you know. I think that you can balance it If you can find there are a lot you know of jobs out there, that that let you be a little bit more flexible and do things on your own time.
Speaker 2:Um so uh, but I was fortunate that I was able to to balance that, because I did have control over my time, Okay, so guys make sure you have something to have like, basically like a safety net, because, like, when you're pushed into, okay, some people will be able to make the most out of it when they're pushed into the corner, but that's not always the case for others. Because, when you're suddenly placed in a scarcity mindset and you start to wonder, oh gosh, this is the only thing I have left, I gotta get this and this and I, it will get a certain type of result that might not be close to what you expected, whereas if you have an abundance mindset, you're gonna be okay, I didn't get that, that's bad. I'm gonna get another opportunity and another opportunity from there. And so it's really incredible that you were able to, uh, make sure that you were sustainable.
Speaker 2:Um, yeah, in the early. Because how are you able to accept that time is not always going to be on your side and you always see other people in who you look up to to like, oh my gosh, why they're so far ahead. I, I need to catch up, I gotta get there now. But how are you able to live or accept or work with the concept of time and the fact that you're you have this little time to make the most out of your career?
Speaker 1:yeah, I think time I like. The sooner you learn how valuable your time is, I think, the the better off you are and I'm like this is still a lesson that I'm learning. But, I learned early on that um I started in in finance and finance wasn't necessarily something I was. I was good at it and could was did, could do it well.
Speaker 1:Um but it wasn't necessarily like my passion, but it did provide me a ton of freedom and time and so when you're, you know thinking about that um and then even at times it didn't even necessarily like pay all that great um at certain times in my career, but I had total a hundred percent flexibility over my time. And I recognize that and I had the option I could have.
Speaker 1:you know, with the engineering degree that I had, I could have easily gone and gotten a salaried position somewhere and been like, basically on a salary, working, you know, 40 plus hours a week, um with, but with a ton of stability. But but then that wouldn't have been my time, I would have been on somebody else's time. And I realized super early on that there was nothing more valuable than my time, and so I made tons of sacrifices to be able to maintain that versus, especially earlier on, maybe not maybe actually not making as much as some of my peers you know that were taking those big salaried positions, um, but I was growing a business and I was, you know, um, and I had full control of my time, which let me be creative and do other things.
Speaker 1:So, um, that was like I realized that was like a no brainer for me. I like knew that that was more valuable to me and and it always has been like, like that will always be like a guiding way that I make decisions okay, all right, I'm gonna ask this age old corny question does money bring happiness? No, but money brings.
Speaker 2:I mean by happiness, there you go. Yeah, it does not, but money buys.
Speaker 1:Money buys comfort, and comfort makes you feel a lot more happy.
Speaker 2:Because up here I've heard arguments where if you're happy, let's say you're with a person, no matter where you guys are, you will feel happy because you're with them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, of course. Oh yeah, I mean, we all know money doesn't buy happiness. I mean, come on, but it does make things easier. It can make life more comfortable. It does take certain stresses off the table that contribute to happiness. There's nothing wrong with that, that's just factual Okay. But, it is not. At the end of the day, is it going to create? Does it equate to you having the love of your life or having these creative outlets? Not necessarily no.
Speaker 2:Okay, Okay, I got to rewatch the movie with Will Smith. The pursuit of happiness to really.
Speaker 1:I haven't seen that in so long. It's a good one.
Speaker 2:It's a good one. You're a movie creative. How.
Speaker 1:I haven't seen it. No, and I mean in so long I'm saying I've seen it, but I mean it's probably been like a day. I mean, when did that movie come out?
Speaker 2:it's a long long time.
Speaker 1:So I don't I feel like I haven't seen it in like 10 years, maybe one more.
Speaker 2:I know I saw it when it came out yeah, and it's just that movie really does apply, because yeah you know, on the when you were on the rise with your career, at least getting to the achievements that you've always been proud of, and when you know it's hard to know whether you're on the cusp of becoming, um, the person you've always wanted to be, but it's so hard to remember that everything they've done up to that point was worth it.
Speaker 2:Because oftentimes we minimize yes, bro, I haven't done that much when in reality we have. And that movie, the reason why that movie? So there was that one scene where he was like getting the interview, he did everything that he can, but the thing is that was driving him was his son. So what was that equivalent of that for you and in your life, throughout this journey that you've been on so far, what drove you to be this insane, to pursue a career that everybody knows is not going to have a financial stability? It takes? You know, there's this saying often the craziest ones are the best ones out there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, honestly, I think I just kind of followed, like it must have been my heart. You know, I just kind of followed my passion and it it like must have been my heart you know it just kind of followed my passion and what lit me up like what, what made me feel like the brightest and happiness and happiest, and um yeah, it wasn't always like obvious what the actual path was I think, I was just like open to and surrender to, like taking whatever the next little step was, and I think that is probably one thing that um has always like been useful, and helpful to me is like is to just take a baby step towards whatever that bigger dream is every day.
Speaker 1:If, like you do nothing else but one little baby step, that's actually like a massive step usually. So I just kept taking like little baby steps towards the things that I loved the most and I was the most excited about and that's like still what I do now.
Speaker 2:What you said reminds me of what you said in a relentless magazine and you said I think it was like I think he was. They were asking you what keeps you going, something like that. And then you said that you had a story about where someone told you that it was actually a lesson. That left you with saying that if you're going to be average at something, if you're already going to be above average at something. Why shouldn't it?
Speaker 1:that was such a good saying. Okay, this, this guy, this guy that said this too, um was like such a profound and someone else, he didn't make it up, someone had said it to him, but it was like such a profound thing to hear. But he said, and you know, he's like I'm I'm looking to try to get hired in finance in like 2006. Um, and he was like. He was like you've never been average at anything, so you've been above average at everything you've always done, so why wouldn't you be above average at this? And I was like Whoa, wow, he's right. And that gave me like a lot of confidence, you know.
Speaker 1:Um and I'm, and, and I think that, like, most of us have been above average at most of the things that we've done, like, even if we've, like, horrifically failed at something, usually that was either a learning experience or something else came of it. So, um, I think, if we can all kind of take that, you know, most of us have been above average at the things we've really tried to do.
Speaker 2:You know, and I think George would have loved to. I think he would be proud even though, yeah, it was very recent Just knowing that you're still trying to keep going and be above. Let's just replace above average with legendary everything, and I like that.
Speaker 1:You've been legendary at everything you've done, so why wouldn't you be legendary at this?
Speaker 2:yeah, and like it's a good one but even it doesn't always have to be about the glam, the glamorous, shiny things, because oftentimes when we, when we pursue this career, it's like we're all because it's because there's this shiny things that we've come across along the way. We want the fame, we want this and this and that, but oftentimes the, the underrated stuff is actually the ones that where we leave an impact yeah and that is what truly gives us the legendary status of what we've been doing with our lives as a creator.
Speaker 2:And so, in that regard, what is one work that you can call as a legendary type of work, where it actually left a huge impact?
Speaker 1:Oh gosh, that's kind of easy. That's like the most recent production that the Heal Reel did, which was an interview in the Garden of Healing.
Speaker 1:And that was a documentary that we did, interviewing someone whose mother had committed suicide, and we took that interview, that documentary, to a few different film festivals. Okay, and the response from people that watched it was it was like I'm getting goosebumps. It was like it was really powerful because the, the person, was so vulnerable and sharing this really deeply vulnerable story that it gave the you know people in the audience that viewed it the ability to get really vulnerable, and so they would come up to us after the you know people in the audience that viewed it the ability to get really vulnerable.
Speaker 1:And so they would come up to us after the, after the screenings, and like want to share their experience with suicide or their experience with loss and um, and so that had a massive impact and that that is, you know, like I w. I'm expecting that from heel reel productions like. That is the mission and the purpose of the heel reel, so that particular production like served its purpose you know, um, which was to have that impact, and so I hope.
Speaker 1:My hope is that every single production that the heel reel makes will do that. But like I don't even have to hope that, because that's what's going to happen, because we're telling people's true stories of traumas that they endured, so that's going to give people hope, kind of no matter what.
Speaker 2:I have a question, actually, with the idea that you want to share stories. What about when you were taking acting roles? Was it easier for you to perform roles that actually had some elements of what you've gone through, versus the roles that where you had to make up a character and do the best to emulate that specific character?
Speaker 1:yeah, good question. Um it? I mean, when you can relate to a character that you're acting, you definitely I think, there's that that's always beneficial right like yeah if you have something that you can pull from. Um, but I will say that, like some of, at least for me, like the most impactful roles I played was I played someone that had schizophrenia and had to do, like, really do some serious studying into that disease, and that was, you know, I had had no like experience with that at all up until that point.
Speaker 1:So also sometimes acting and doing something that's like 180 degrees, different from anything you're normally exposed to, has a lot of power to that too. So I think it can kind of go both ways.
Speaker 2:Are you doing method acting, because there's various ways of emulating the character, like Jared Leto, when he was picked for Joker, he actually sent I think it's like rats or whatever to his cast members, all because he wanted to emulate Joker. So are you doing? What is your method when it comes to acting? Do you do method or do you just read off the script and just do your best to emulate that? Or do you just improv acting, where you just say a bunch of lines until something hits?
Speaker 1:I feel like I've kind of done all of the above. I don't have any kind of really specific or technical training. I've had different training and exposure through different directors and different kind of coaches at times, and I can't say I've ever like latched onto anything in particular, like different roles have required different I've like studied them differently, like that schizophrenic role might've been more method based on how I think I understand method acting maybe, but that was because that was, like you know, different than like a narrative, where maybe you're like developing a character you know for like a drama.
Speaker 1:So I feel like I've tried kind of different ways, like I don't know that I have like one particular way, but I do generally just like diving into a script, like I'm also a writer and I've written several screenplays, so I love like diving into a script and like the script is kind of like yeah, that's a big piece of building out of characters it's like always, kind of going back to the script um, first, were there any roles in everything that you've done?
Speaker 2:was there one role that actually hit you the hardest emotionally, a role that actually caused a paradigm shift in into who you are as a person outside of work? Because you do acting work, yeah, you can get into that but was there a role that actually made you like damn, this character is displaying elements where I have been afraid to share parts of myself and in order for you to truly become that character, you have to be courageous enough to bring back those moments, to bring the best um version of that character from that script.
Speaker 1:If that makes sense, yeah no, that's a really good question. Um, I can't, I don't know that. I've gone like as deep as what I know you're asking yeah um, I do, I do think I did. I've have had to pull some pretty tough emotions into certain roles, um, and so I've used you know I've thought I've used you, you know I've thought I've used, you know, difficult, more I've like reflected on more difficult times in my life that to get me to a place where I could reflect some of those emotions, but those were more kind of like just trying to get through the emotion of the scene rather than do.
Speaker 1:I feel like a character like changed me. I can't really say that. I feel like there's a character that pops out in my mind that like had this, this like impact is there a character that you would like to?
Speaker 2:is there a role that you would like to uh hopefully get that would give you that opportunity to uh be in that mindset?
Speaker 1:well, I mean I, I love, I really did enjoy, like the like playing the schizophrenic or something that's like very, very different from who I am yeah so, like I always really admired charlie sterron and monster because she, like, went through such a transformation and she was such a different person so I'd love to act in something that, like you almost wouldn't recognize me you know, and like have the opportunity to really change to that extent that I'm unrecognizable from.
Speaker 1:Megan as I am Kind of like how Charlize did in Monster. That's always been kind of intriguing to me.
Speaker 2:I think the opportunity will be there soon.
Speaker 1:I've been, I miss. I actually haven't like gotten to like work on my acting muscles all that much lately. Um, for a number of reasons, my outlet's been dance a lot lately Okay. And I think with the actor strike and just there hasn't been at least as many non-commercial opportunities. You mean like non-union type no, like things that aren't, like commercials, that are narratives that you're acting and, being emotional, I feel like there haven't been. I haven't really been searching for them either, and I've been thinking about it a lot lately.
Speaker 2:So I think, there might be.
Speaker 1:I've been doing so much like production behind the camera stuff that I'm starting to miss like my in front of the camera acting work, so I think that's going to. There must be something coming along, that's going to if we hit the gong.
Speaker 2:that's for the dude. Don't be a day. You will get into that role. Let's remind this moment when you watch back hi Megan, future Megan. If you're watching this, hopefully you have already achieved that goal of being in that role of someone, whether it's schizophrenic or whatever. What would you say to future Megan right now, at that point? This is your time capsule video. Oh gosh, say hi. Hi Megan Hi.
Speaker 1:I hope you are doing wonderful. Just keep going. I love you. You're beautiful. Everything's going to be okay, yes.
Speaker 2:Megan, don't give up, don't give Megan, don't give up.
Speaker 1:Don't give up, definitely don't give up.
Speaker 2:And keep eating the yellow M&Ms.
Speaker 1:All of the peanut M&Ms yes.
Speaker 2:And make sure you know what a banana looks like.
Speaker 1:Make sure you know what the banana plant looks like and that you can identify it at your local botanical garden. Yes, two or one, and behind the one that you said identify it at your local botanical garden.
Speaker 2:Yes, Two or one. And behind the one that you said you were growing, you said you started growing a banana right, I have banana plants at my house.
Speaker 1:How many? Well, it started as two, but they multiply. I think I have like eight now. Like little baby ones.
Speaker 2:Make sure you know what they are. Okay, but with the acting roles was there one. So your grandmother, you said she was a performer, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, she was a rockette on Broadway, so a dancer.
Speaker 2:Have you ever thought about taking on a role that would be somewhat similar to that?
Speaker 1:Well, I do dancing now. Actually, it's really funny because I kind of, in a weird way, I'm like following in her footsteps a tiny bit, because the kind of dance that we do at my studio and we performed in July at the Sanger Theater in Pensacola is not exactly Rockette ish Like those. Those dancers do, like you know, the Macy's Day Parade. They're like the girls that do the big leg kicks and they're very, they're're phenomenal dancers and we're kind of doing more, but we're doing.
Speaker 1:You know, it's kind of Broadway a little bit what we do. So I still am involved in dance and I feel like that keeps me connected to her and but she was definitely a performer, she was an incredible performer, and so so that that side of the family, yeah, there was was all about performing and entertaining.
Speaker 2:No she's not hashing. Well, I'm so sorry to hear that, but hashing. Have you been able to have a? Have you had any opportunities to show her what tiny piece of things that you were doing with your life?
Speaker 1:um, I honestly don't know that I was really dancing. Yeah, I didn't really get into it as much as I am now, before she passed, unfortunately, but my godmother, who was really close to my grandmother, she is still around and she really actively and she was a dancer as well. And she really actively follows me. Yeah, and she's got lots of. She was a dancer, so every time she watches one of my dance shows she's got lots of good feedback and critiques, because she knows what she's doing and what she's looking at.
Speaker 2:You have so many avenues of expressing yourself, whether it's dancing, acting, which one of those mediums have actually made you feel a lot closer to your inner child?
Speaker 1:yeah, it would be probably between acting and dancing I would say you gotta pick one darn it pick. I mean, I guess I would have to pick dancing, because dancing's like dancing, you know like it's dance, and dance is a more. I feel like childlike, like joyful, you know way to express. So it and dancing is is what I did when I was really little. I started acting a little bit later, so if I'm going to connect with my you know inner child. Then my inner child was dancing, before it was acting.
Speaker 2:Now, how would you translate grief into? Because dancing it's also like a human body language of translating words.
Speaker 1:That's true. You can translate a lot of emotions with dance, not just joy.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you could do. Sadness, grief, yeah.
Speaker 2:So how would you do that?
Speaker 1:Gosh, is it through?
Speaker 2:slow movements or.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean I feel like contemporary dance tends to be like more moody. Okay, you know, like contemporary dance I feel like it can be like more sad and moody, but but even like a really good, like um, oh, what's the other one? Not the tango, but the like some of those can get really like angry and like some of those ballroom dances have really sharp movements and can like you. They can all be expressed different, you know they can all be expressed different ways. Honestly, um, you could probably do a really sad.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you could do like a sad tango like tango is kind of more sensual, like you could maybe do an angry tango. You could definitely do like a sad waltz, you know you could do like a. You could, you, you could and I, and actually that would be an awesome exercise. Yeah, and I should tell margaret, who runs my dance studio is like, come up with like a sad tango or come up with like a, but it's like even hip-hop dance. You could do like a sad hip-hop dance versus. I mean, could you, why not? It's so hard, right? Well, I'm at the moment I started describing it's like even hip hop dance.
Speaker 2:You could do like a sad hip hop dance. I mean, could you? Why not? It's so hard, right? Well, I'm at the moment. I start describing it's like I'm trying to, because all I think of is like one sadness, the idea of sadness and grief. You're lethargic, you're, you're not wanting to move as much, you want to stay in place?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you. But if you're doing a dance it's obviously going to have to include movement. But your movement would have to be more you're right subdued, more lethargic, more hunched shoulders and down, versus a I'm up and happy kind of dance. So all of those things would. But also sometimes, when you're really sad or in the pangs of grief, you can also be like, you know, like Okay, you shake your head. Or I don't know, some people get not like violent per se, but like have some physical reactions that can be kind of strong.
Speaker 2:And like that can be expressed in dance and yeah. How are you implementing that into the heel productions company?
Speaker 1:I have not necessarily like considered how dance and the heel reel production could overlap, but they there's no like limit to like. The goal of the heel reel production company is to help people heal through the arts basically, and the focus is really on through cinematography and storytelling, but it it doesn't really have to be that it could be through dance or other forms of art and and creative mediums, so that that certainly is like. That certainly is like a possibility in the future.
Speaker 2:There's potential for something like that sure you know, like the joker and the joker 2, they turned the whole entire thing into a musical.
Speaker 1:Maybe that's something that yeah, I've heard that they've done that yeah so that could be.
Speaker 2:It's like almost the mixture of what you always have done throughout your career, but also your side of family is a before a bunch of performers, so I need to write a musical.
Speaker 1:Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 2:maybe that would be the culmination of all of my things?
Speaker 1:yeah, it kind of sounds right, actually kino you're. I think you're hitting hold on the musical.
Speaker 2:No, because, like musicals, going back to like high school musical, it's always that there's something about the mixture of singing out loud because you're saying the word, you're singing out the words, but not only doing that, you're also emulating the words and the impact of how they hit you with the body language, like Zac Efron scream, scream. So it's like I think I can't actually wait you gotta you have to do it future, megan, when you're watching this, I think future?
Speaker 1:yeah, what would future? What would the music? I don't know. I don't know what the musical would be called, but I don't actually think any of this is a bad idea. I've written like I can't really say I'm a songwriter or like a poet, but I have written some and maybe I don't know, kino, you might have just opened a brand new door.
Speaker 2:Okay, here's Poet On 9-11-2024. Actually it's like September 11. That's also, ironically, a day off loss.
Speaker 1:It is, yeah, it's a heavy day, I think.
Speaker 2:Take a moment to.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:The people that have lost their lives. You know it was a tragedy event, but I think we could look forward in into turning this into something that we can uh remember as as a person and as a collective, to not let any tragedies tragedies, I can't talk today like that uh stop us from building a better life for everyone. I actually have a painting and artwork of 9-11. Oh, wow, I did that. For what do you call that? It's the last piece of my senior year. I just picked it randomly, that's a great one.
Speaker 1:Okay, let's do that.
Speaker 2:The musical. I think you should do it Because, like the poem, Okay, you can. Okay, at this moment I'm feeling grief. When that person left, I still cannot believe how could you be the person to leave, because you're the one that I need when everything gets so tough.
Speaker 1:Now all I can do is grieve.
Speaker 2:Oh, of course. Okay, guys, we're almost running out of time. Dang it. If time wasn't real, I would love to just share everybody's stories, but unfortunately, here we are. Reality is time is real. No, not really. Time is just a social contract that has been placed onto society in order for us to know that we're actually real.
Speaker 1:But it's actually 726. In this real time, those are numbers.
Speaker 2:to me, those are just digital numbers on your phone to represent a social construct that we have. But I guess we're going to have to do a wrap-up questions. But would you be back for part two?
Speaker 1:I'd love to come back. I'm super proud of you for what you're doing with the podcast and it was awesome to listen to you and all the guests you've had and I know a lot of them and respect all of them so much and I think it's great You're bringing everyone together.
Speaker 2:So please keep it up and yeah, and thank you for all of this that you're doing Of course, now we're doing the lightning round because we cannot keep her long, but we will bring her back, so lightning round, okay, to the people that want to aspire to pursue this craft and, of course, I think one of the biggest things that you should remind yourself, that there are people that especially younger generation, even your niece.
Speaker 2:They're always going to be looking after you the fun, fun aunt, but they're going to look after you when it comes to choosing something like this. What are some of the three things that you want to say to those, especially in the younger generation, when it comes to pursuing something that will give them happiness, love, everything in the creative industry?
Speaker 1:Well, I think the first thing I'm always going to tell people is to be true to themselves, and sometimes you want to check your motives when you're being true to themselves, and sometimes you want to check your motives when you're being true to yourself. So, if you're really interested in this industry, maybe check your motive as to why. What is it about this industry that makes you the most interested? And this industry is massive. So learn as much as you can about the entire industry, but know that there's lots of different pathways that the industry could take you.
Speaker 1:It's not one. It's not a or B, it's like a through Z that that that you could, that you could go through Um and that that to continue to you know, stay educated and continue to learn, because that's an ongoing process.
Speaker 2:So you've got to be doing that regularly.
Speaker 1:Okay, ongoing process.
Speaker 2:So you've got to be doing that regularly. Okay, kids always watch pbs, watch discovery channel. Stay away from tech talk. It's brain rot. You will no, no, no, no, no. Think about the good things that will add value to your life. Now, what about grief? When you leave today, grief will not go anywhere. It was all. It will always be something that you carry with you, and I I honestly think grief is.
Speaker 2:I hate the stigma that grief. When people think about grief, they they almost categorize it as something that they don't want to talk about. It's almost as if it's something that they don't even want to acknowledge in the first place and that comes from the lack of understanding and empathy towards one another and to and I think, in order to truly make that into something that's a comfortable thing to talk about, we really need to take the first step towards empathy, but nowadays and it nowadays that's not enough. No one's doing that anymore. And so when you leave today, when you carry that grief and I hope that things I know things will get better. It's just not at this moment. It's okay for you to let everything feel like it's not as good, but for those that have recently lost loved ones, friends, what is the one thing that you could say to help them remind that it's not going to be forever.
Speaker 1:I think, remember and I feel like I heard this saying recently the opposite of like a trigger is a glimmer have you ever heard that?
Speaker 2:This is the first time I heard this somewhere that like the opposite of a trigger is a glimmer.
Speaker 1:Have you ever heard that this first time?
Speaker 1:Ooh, okay, I heard this somewhere that like the opposite of a trigger is a glimmer, and we're kind of like focused a little bit on sometimes can be too focused on like oh, I'm getting triggered, or my trigger, my trigger. Don't forget to look for your glimmers, which are like the happy things or the happy moments, or the little signs from the universe, or God or whatever you might call it, that everything's okay, you know. So, whatever those are for you, like for me, if I ever see like a cardinal, like a red cardinal bird, that's always like a little glimmer, and or just any like happy coincidence or nice positive coincidence is like a little glimmer, and so don't forget to acknowledge those and I like to say thank you more, please when they come. So just those little things will pop up. So acknowledge them when they do, even if it's just like for a brief moment in the middle of an otherwise really challenging time quinn said the exact same thing.
Speaker 1:We talked about a whole 30 minutes about cardinals really I missed that part of the podcast, yeah we were it was right I think halfway in the middle or.
Speaker 2:But there was a reason why I brought that up After I think it was a week or two. I was driving, even though it wasn't in the shape of an actual cardinal. I saw the cardinal on the side of the truck flying and I was like what the fuck? And then I immediately texted Quinn and I told him hey, I saw a cardinal, life Cardinal, and life is so weird in its way it's almost scary, yeah, to a point like Cardinal. When I saw that one, I was like no, I think I'm high, I think I'm whatever. But I don't ever want people to like immediately disregard the emotions of grief.
Speaker 2:You need to have it. It's a healthy emotion. It is not a negative emotion. It is a healthy reaction to something that you have gone through. You should never disregard that Because, in a way, that's almost like it's doing a disservice to the person that passed away, because grief when you feel the deepest part of grief that shows that is also the equivalent amount of the love that you have for that person. So don't ever disregard that.
Speaker 2:And you're you're a strong person. Everybody is, but I want you to know. And you're a strong person. Everybody is, but I want you to know that you're a strong person and that, even if you didn't have any of this, even if you didn't have any of this, what you carry with you is the emotions and the ability to show that to other people that will look up to you and aspire to do the exact same thing that you're doing Now. The last one that I do have is for the people that have disabilities, because that's the goal of my podcast. I want people with disabilities to feel like they're not limited by what they have, but I want them to feel like it's almost an opportunity to become limitless so actually limitless and relentless, because you have a magazine that interviewed you.
Speaker 2:So limitless and relentless. Have you come across people with disabilities? Sure, absolutely, if you don't mind. What are they, and are some of them like hearing loss, or what forms of disabilities have you?
Speaker 1:Well, the most common type of disability in this country um is our mental disabilities okay and so I think that's um.
Speaker 2:Those are probably the ones I've come across more often than um physical okay disabilities um how would you, what would be the first thing that you could tell them, to start healing and start seeing that as in a positive light that's.
Speaker 1:that's a really good question. It's, um, well, I think, probably, regardless, they've already been on a healing journey. But no matter, you know from from the beginning, you know, I think, that we're all kind of on a journey, so, depending on where they are in, that journey might kind of dictate what I would say to them or what I would try to impart heart, um, but I, I really believe that, like our, our mental health will help dictate our physical health. So our, like mental, whatever needs to be done to get our mental state into a more positive, healthy state, I think is ultimately going to have a positive impact on our body and on our life. Um, so I, I think I'd, first and foremost, like, want to encourage, like good, positive mental health you know, regardless of, like what any kind of disability might be.
Speaker 1:Um, and I'm not, you know, a doctor or any kind of like you know licensed therapists, but I know there's a ton of different healing modalities and so I probably just get curious about what they. I think, like step one is get curious, you know, like, what have or haven't people done or tried, or what are they curious about? And um, and then kind of go from there, cause there's really no like right or wrong answer or like black or white path. You know and and and, and I, I, I don't believe there is. I think there's lots of different ways people can go and that I just want to help people kind of find what that right way is for them and then the last final question at the lightning round martini question yeah, oh, like the martini, wrap okay.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Martini shot and then we're going to 86 out of here. What is your final image of your legacy and how do you want your legacy to continue to live on and to other people, and what would that look like for you?
Speaker 1:Well, I think that there's obviously like a personal and family legacy is one aspect of it, Um, but I'd rather mention like at least to answer your question like from a professional legacy perspective, um, especially with the heel reel, if I'm, you know, able to make it that it's still kind of in its infancy, so if I'm able to grow that production company to something that no longer requires me and therefore can live on after me, then I feel like that will have been a really big success.
Speaker 1:So, I, I, I hope that that's kind of where I'm going and what my ultimate goal is with that production company we need a lot of healing in the world and what my ultimate goal is with that production company.
Speaker 2:We need a lot of healing in the world, and you're going to be the first people to, especially in this area, because we're all hung up on social media likes. There's a lot more to it than that, and you're going to do great at making changes. Okay, Now where can people find you?
Speaker 1:They can go to megancaulfieldcom. Yes, they can go to thehealrealcom. Those are probably the best places to start At Megan T Caulfield on Instagram and at thehealreal on Instagram as well, and Facebook and yeah.
Speaker 2:Do you also see her website?
Speaker 1:Megancaulfieldcom.
Speaker 2:Megancaulfieldcom. Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, I think. And yeah, did you also see your website, megancaulfieldcom?
Speaker 2:and thehealrealcom. But if you go to megancaulfieldcom there's links to everything else. I just want to make sure you got it. You can just google my name actually, yes, go to IMDB. You guys are going to get your mind blown away. She has a whole list. But you know, unfortunately time is real, but it's a social construct made by society. Thank you so much for watching and, oh, we're going to do the gong, okay.
Speaker 1:Not yet, not yet.
Speaker 2:Thank you guys so much for watching, and also, megan, when you watch this, wherever you are at this time, when you watch this, know that the past version of us here are telling you to keep going. Okay, all right. And then people with disabilities you guys are doing awesome. Don't ever let anyone tell you that you're nothing less than a broken person. You're not. You're just someone who has the opportunity to fill that broken piece of you that they call broken. You have that opportunity to fill that with something greater and that can look like making a change, and not only you, but the people that you want to be around with and the people that you hope to make a change in their lives as well. So please remember that. That being said, this has been the head record. I think this episode 16, 17 I don't know numbers are fake. They're just a socialist construct. Thank you so much for watching, like and subscribe. The links are everything. It's on the description, any last words thank you, this has been great.
Speaker 2:Thank you, kino of course, now we're gonna hit the bong or the gong, not the bong, not the bong I'm not.
Speaker 2:No comment, I'm gonna hit the gong right now goodbye, and that's a wrap for today's episode on him record. Thank you so much for sticking with us and I do hope that today's episode was insightful and also it gave you some kind of fresh perspective in your creative journey. If you're listening on Spotify or any other podcast platform, a quick review is definitely going to help. It helps other people find us and, for those that are watching on YouTube, make sure you drop a comment down below or a question, because I would love to see what your thoughts are. If you have any takeaways, advice, insights, anything of the sort, I'd love to see what you guys have. And, most importantly, I hope you guys can take away a lot from these conversations, especially if you have hearing loss or disabilities, because I want you to know that you are not limited by your condition and that you are more than just that. Thank you so much for watching. Stay inspired and I'll see you all in the next episode.
